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Letters and Email

I didn't know how people would react to my personal impressions of the Ice Storm, but I have been pleasantly surprised by the response of people who have either heard about the storm or who were there. I feel like I put a message in a bottle and then threw it into the sea, never knowing where it would end up or who would read it. Here are a few of the email's I received after I put this site up. N.B. There is no order or date per se on them. And I have edited them a little to fit on page. Also a big thank you for the support and kind words to all who have emailed me.


Thank you - you have succeeded in capturing the essence of what it was like.

You have expressed our emotions, fears, happiness, sadness, love, fun, exhilaration, frustration, gratitude, patience and on and on.

I live south of Montreal, 3 miles from the US border. We have all learned something haven't we. We lost our power for 15 1/2 days. We were lucky. A friend of mine just got reconnected on Tuesday, yes, February 3. Hard to believe isn't it.

Congratulations - well done.

Hemmingford, QC


We can totally sympathize with your experiences. We were trapped in our home for 3 days due to downed trees across our road. It took 20 people , 7 chain saws and a bucket loader to clear our road so we could get out. In order to get groceries I had my husband's brother deliver them to the mailbox and walked out with backpack and hardhat to retrieve our needs.

In addition after the 3 days and relief that we could finially take our 4 wheel drive out to get supplies - we had an additional 16 days without electricity.

This put us to the test. Fortunately, like you, we had put a generator in place over 2 years ago and also our primary heat is woodstove. Regardless - the whole experience was difficult - 2 jobs - kid out of school - and more importantly trying to help neighbors.

The road we live on has 15 homes which were out of power for 16 days. Some had generators, but most didn't. Some had to leave their homes. We did the best we could to hep support those in need. Since we were "hardwired" into our well pump we supplied water for several of the neighbors. We also did our best to have people over for hot meals since we have a gas stove.

Overall the Ice Storm put mainers to the test - and for the most part - I'm proud of the way Mainers rose to the occasion. Their are a lot more stories than I can begin to tell here. If you are interested in a few more stories, in a lot more detail - let us know - we have them.

Friends from Maine


 

My name is Tom and I just returned home last night after working 18 hours a day for 10 days as an electric line supervisor from New York State Electric and Gas. We were assigned to work with a team from Hydro Quebec and worked in the Iberville and Henryville area. I have been sent to do restoration work many times in the past to other utilities in the northeast US. I have to commend the people in the St Jean area for their spirit and determination in coming through this disaster. The Hydro Quebec people were a pleasure to work for and were always concerned for out safety and welfare, going through the trouble of making sure we had hot coffee and meals to keep us going in the cold weather. I would love to hear from anyone that noticed our orange and white trucks with the NYSEG logo on the side. I can be reached at Sniper@frontiernet.com.

Patrick,

Thank you for your reply. My heart went out to all the people that suffered through this disaster. I hope everyone recovers. My best to you and your neighbors. I am planning on bringing my family through the region this summer, (only this time i will prepare and learn some French).

Til Then,

Tom


Hello

I visited many of your pages by way of the qt-vr list. You have documented a tremendous amount of information here. I am very impressed.

JOOK LEUNG


Hello,

Being directly involved in the analysis of the ice-storm, I am curious in knowing where you actually got the information pertaining to the amounts of precipitation fallen in the Montreal area...

Jennifer Milton Environment Canada- Scientific Services


Hi ,

These are very good pictures you have taken of the ice storm, you can get a sense of the impact of the storm. I would like to put a link to your site from my web page if you don't mind, I get visitors from around the world and I think some of them would be interested in seeing these images. Let me know if you have any concerns, the page it would be on is: http://www.interlog.com/~oz/webcam/awebcam.html

Oz. Toronto Canada


 Actually, Patrick's site (http://members.aol.com/badice98/icestorm.html) is an amazing chronicle of the ice disaster from someone who's obviously suffering through it. Definitely worth a visit.

Good luck,


You said no other city would survive such a crisis. But yet less than six months previous, Winnipeg took on one of the emmense floods ever seen this century, and hopefully never again. We too pulled together and managed through it. We did that as a country, not as a city. It's obvious that you made an extreme oversight thanking your city, instead of thanking the country for the support and the prayers we sent. Our country surrvived, not just your city.

Check your statistics next time,

Laura and Christina


I know you are very passionate about what you do but no, I don't care to build another section into wrinkle about disasters. Why don't you organize such a thing and build it somewhere?

I think it would be wonderful and I will support your efforts, with links, page templates, even mentions on Internet Radio Hawai`i!

Patrick, I lived through several ice storms and blizzards as a kid growing up on the east coast... they happen. We survived. You did too!

aloha

rabbett



Hi

I was waisting time cruising the net waiting for my computer to finish rendering an animation when I stumbled across your web site. I am also a medical illustrator (MS from the now defunct program at Colorado State University). I really appreciated your illustrations. Very nice. I'd love to know, what program did you use to render them?

Also, are you done scraping ice off your car? I'm originally from the NE USA and I know how much damage a little ice storm can cause. I don't even want to conceptualize what happened to you guys. 4 days of icy rain...holy cats! Give me a good old fashioned blizzard anyday.

Good luck!

Marcia



COOL BOOK it was great and im only 11. I was wandering if you could send it to my e-mail list.

THANK YOU VERY MUCH


First may I have permission to forward your e-mail to a few people who will be interested and may I also post a print out on our cork board in the institutes lifts.

I lived in Montreal during the Olympics. Do you remember at the time there was a huge controversy over Dr Mongentauler (I have spelt it wrong but pronounced morgentaller) doing abortions. You may also recall Jean Drapeau (the then mayor) claimed that "the Olympics could no more lose money than a man could have a baby" . It soon became very clear that the Olympics would lose money. There was a wonderful cartoon in the paper which showed Drapeau on the phone to Dr. Montgentauler. I remember it so very clearly.

Thank you so much for your wonderful verbal image on the ice storm. We did see the felled towers but the thickness of the ice was missing. (Flash I am hearing about the freezing rain storm on the radio now. It is a long item. The death toll has risen to 23 after a boy in Ontario died of smoke inhalation. 250,00 people without electricy or was that 250,000 homes?).

We are having vicious bush fires down south. They are very bad but it happens occassionally. The city of Townsville has had the most horrible flood. This is extremely unusal. They had half their annual rainfall in one night and twice their annual rainfall in less than four days. But to make things worse they are being tormented by a really nasty cyclone that is hovering just off the coast. It was a category 4 (cyclone Tracy was a category 4 and it almost totally flattened Darwin about 20 years ago).

Cyclone Sid (the one off Townsville) has been downgraded to 3 and after sitting off Townsville for 24 hours has picked up speed and is heading further south. It is now expected to cross the coast about a thousand Km north of here. Provided it doesn't come any closer than that all we will get is rain and screamingly freightening surf for my husband to test his nerves against.Category 4 cyclones and raging bush fires are not rare but are they happening more often or is the population expanding and we are noticing thedevestation more? These are questions that we would surely like answered.

from Brisbane Australia

 

About 15 people requested their own copy of your e-mail. Here is a sample of one response.

"Dear H.

Many thanks for going to the trouble of emailing those two stories from North America. It is certainly hard to imagine what it might be like for them when I am sitting here with a shimer of sweat on my brow and wallowing in the airconditioning and the relief it gives me.

I hope all will be allright with the forest and all the people can get back to some sort of normal life in a short time.

Kind regards" Australian correspondent


Dear

Your web page is magnificent. I have sent the address off to the earth sciences department of my son's school, to a science magazine run by the education department and I will sent it off to The University of Queensland and a few other places that might be interested into your insights and images all very evocative.

 

The weather is just as it should be beautifully soft and warm, 29 degrees through the day and about 18 at night, like well aged vintage port.

Brisbane Australia


 


I like you storm site,your stories and slant. I'm looking forward to the
photos. In the Ottawa region we got a taste of it as well. My son Patrick
is a lineman with Ontario Hydro, out of Vankleek Hill. He's just now
going back on regular shifts. I put together the following poem I thought
you might relate to.

and


I'm touched (actually somewhat overwhelmed) by your response. I feel this
event marked me in fundamental ways. It's hard to extend beyond the
impact, post disaster syndrome, or whatever. We will have to move on, but
the better, psychologically, for it.

Feel free to use my poem as you see fit. Consider it my small
contribution to the great work you have underway.

Cheers.Gordon Rainey

Thanks for including my poem. I noticed another poem about the storm on
the "Poetry Exchange" site. It was written Keith Michael Roy Sherrard.


Hello,


I saw your web site with the pictures of your sad oak tree. We are
producing a CD-ROM about the forest, it's soon to be released, if you would
allow us to include your photos of your tree, it might be immortalized
forever.


Thank you - you have succeeded in capturing the essence of what it was like.
You have expressed our emotions, fears, happiness, sadness, love, fun, exhilaration, frustration, gratitude, patience and on and on.

I live south of Montreal, 3 miles from the US border. We have all learned something haven't we. We lost our power for 15 1/2 days. We were lucky. A friend of mine just got reconnected on Tuesday, yes, February 3. Hard to believe isn't it.

Congratulations - well done.


from Maine, USA

We can totally sympathize with your experiences. We were trapped in our home for 3 days due to downed trees across our road. It took 20 people , 7 chain saws and a bucket loader to clear our road so we could get out. In order to get groceries I had my husband's brother deliver them to the mailbox and walked out with backpack and hardhat to retrieve our needs.

In addition after the 3 days and relief that we could finially take our 4 wheel drive out to get supplies - we had an additional 16 days without electricity.

This put us to the test. Fortunately, like you, we had put a generator in place over 2 years ago and also our primary heat is woodstove. Regardless - the whole experience was difficult - 2 jobs - kid out of school - and more importantly trying to help neighbors.

The road we live on has 15 homes which were out of power for 16 days. Some had generators, but most didn't. Some had to leave their homes. We did the best we could to hep support those in need. Since we were "hardwired" into our well pump we supplied water for several of the neighbors. We also did our best to have people over for hot meals since we have a gas stove.

Overall the Ice Storm put mainers to the test - and for the most part - I'm proud of the way Mainers rose to the occasion. Their are a lot more stories than I can begin to tell here. If you are interested in a few more stories, in a lot more detail - let us know - we have them


AOL billing

In a message dated 98-01-25 10:21:56 EST, Billing writes:

I credited your account 1 FREE MONTH due to the ice storm.


I can tell you right away that there is no way, at this moment, to claim
that climate change had nothing OR had something to with the storm...
You may be able to detect a general trend in extreme events in a few
(10,20?) years but climate change is something that can be detected
using statistical methods. One single event cannot, so far, be
caracterized as "Climate change influenced" OR "Not Climate change
influenced".

That was why it was so hard and took so long to prove witouth any doubts
that smoking was killer!


Well, I finally got to see yor web page. Cool Dude!
Its very impressive.
Deb


About 15 people requested their own copy of your e-mail. Here is a
sample of one response.
>
>Many thanks for going to the trouble of emailing those two stories from
>North America. It is certainly hard to imagine what it might be like for
>them when I am sitting here with a shimer of sweat on my brow and wallowing
>in the airconditioning and the relief it gives me.
>
>I hope all will be allright with the forest and all the people can get back
>to some sort of normal life in a short time.
>
>Kind regards

Thank you for your interesting page on facts and figures of the ice
storm.


Actually, I am a grad. student at Michigan State University. I am doing
some research on the ice storm and its aftermath. I was wondering (or
maybe I just didn't see it!) if you had information on how much ice
does it actually take to knock over a tree or power lines, etc.


I was waisting time cruising the net waiting for my computer to finish
rendering an animation when I stumbled across your web site. I am also
a medical illustrator (MS from the now defunct program at Colorado State
University). I really appreciated your illustrations. Very nice. I'd
love to know, what program did you use to render them?

Also, are you done scraping ice off your car? I'm originally from the
NE USA and I know how much damage a little ice storm can cause. I don't
even want to conceptualize what happened to you guys. 4 days of icy
rain...holy cats! Give me a good old fashioned blizzard anyday.

Good luck!


Thank you for your reply. My heart went out to all the people that suffered
through this disaster. I hope everyone recovers. My best to you and your
neighbors. I am planning on bringing my family through the region this
summer, (only this time i will prepare and learn some French).


When precipitation last for so long and is relatively uniform, raingauges
work fine. And this is probably what was used (Environment Canada
gauges certainly, and perhaps their own if they have any).


Being directly involved in the analysis of the ice-storm, I am curious
in knowing where you actually got the information pertaining to the
amounts of precipitation fallen in the Montreal area...


Just a comment,

Except for Electrical Utility companies, Ice Thickness (although more
spectacular) is not all that useful because there is no systematic and
official measurments network that has been in place for a long time.
Historical comparisons become difficult... On the other hand,
meteorological and climatological data have a long history (sometimes
over 100 years) and a systematic method of measurment has been developed
to filter possible inconcistencies. Also, we did verify with
Hydro-Quebec, Hydro Ontario, the Buffalo weather office and American
companies and, according to them, the map reflects nicely the amplitude
of the damages. The worst hit area were clearly the "Triangle of
Darkness" (100+mm of freezing rain) and neighbouring regions of Southern
Quebec, Eastern Ontario, Northern New York and Vermont state, and
portion of Maine. Other areas were affected but generally in a lesser
way (according to all groups mentionned above). Just to give you an
example: A good portion of my family living close to the Triangle of
Darkness got their power back only a few days ago. 90% of all
trees/poles/pylones were badly damaged/brought down! Although ice
accretion maps and our map may not reflect all the damages, you have to
remember also that wind and duration of below freezing temperatures are
very important aspects of the storm... (just to name a few other
aspect).

In brief, a storm of this amplitude needs time, good science and
reliable data to be analysed in the right way. Those calling it the
storm of the century before doing a complete analysis have probably used
the wording "storm of the century" quite a few times before!!!

We consider ourself specialist in meteorological and climatological
analysis but we will not do the work we are not specialized in (Ice
accretion measurments and analysis). According to meteorological and
climatological history, our map shows quantity of freezing rain that
have never been measured!

Thanks for the interest. Remember, we will always be hit by exceptionnal
storms... We do have to remain neutral when we produce an analysis...


Sorry for the delay. We have radar images of the storm, but
instantaneous precipitation coverage images will bring little
information. In terms of rainfall amounts, it is not a spectacular
event. It is the nature of the precipitation that makes it special.
We also have been affected by the power failures and are just starting a
more thorough analysis of the event. As a result I do not have at this
time a useful image to provide you.


COOL BOOK it was great and im only 11. I was wandering if you could send it to my e-mail list. THANK YOU VERY MUCH

his mother

Hello,
Thankyou very much for responding to his e-mail(qt 11 86).I hope things are getting back to normal for you and your family.Our hearts and prayers go out to all affected due to the bad storm.We were very lucky here in the Niagara area.You have my permission to give kyle the URL for your web page and i will check it out before i let him read it.God bless you ,your family and nieghbours.


Quite an ordeal and quite a story. Thanks for sharing it. Glad to hear you
got through it so well.
Here, the issue is hurricanes which can devastate things, but they have to
hit just right.


 

Patrick: Wonderful work on the Ice Storm VR's! I think you captured the
heartbreaking vision of stately old trees being ripped to pieces.......
and the piles of woodchips say it all. A really sad site.
mike


My complements on your web page,
Bill.


Dear Badice 98:

Thank you for a most thoughtful response to my otherwise thoughtless
comments! You are a gifted writer who obviously cares. I wish you well.


These are very good pictures you have taken of the ice storm, you can get a
sense of the impact of the storm.

I would like to put a link to your site from my web page if you don't mind,
I get visitors from around the world and I think some of them would be
interested in seeing these images.

and

Thanks for the link. It looks like you've been getting a good response to
your site, keep up the good work.

Oz.


from Australia

First may I have permission to forward your e-mail to a few people
who will be interested and may I also post a print out on our cork board in
the institutes lifts.

I lived in Montreal during the Olympics. Do you remember at the time there
was a huge controversy over Dr Mongentauler (I have spelt it wrong but
pronounced morgentaller) doing abortions. You may also recall Jean Drapeau
(the then mayor) claimed that "the Olympics could no more lose money than a
man could have a baby" . It soon became very clear that the Olympics would
lose money. There was a wonderful cartoon in the paper which showed Drapeau
on the phone to Dr. Montgentauler. I remember it so very clearly.

Thank you so much for your wonderful verbal image on the ice storm. We did
see the felled towers but the thickness of the ice was missing. (Flash I am
hearing about the freezing rain storm on the radio now. It is a long item.
The death toll has risen to 23 after a boy in Ontario died of smoke
inhalation. 250,00 people without electricy or was that 250,000 homes?).

We are having vicious bush fires down south. They are very bad but it
happens occassionally. The city of Townsville has had the most horrible
flood. This is extremely unusal. They had half their annual rainfall in
one night and twice their annual rainfall in less than four days. But to
make things worse they are being tormented by a really nasty cyclone that is
hovering just off the coast. It was a category 4 (cyclone Tracy was a
ctegory 4 and it almost totally flattened Darwin about 20 years ago).
Cyclone Sid (the one off Townsville) has been downgraded to 3 and after
sitting off Townsville for 24 hours has picked up speed and is heading
further south. It is now expected to cross the coast about a thousand Km
north of here. Provided it doesn't come any closer than that all we will
get is rain and screamingly freightening surf for my husband to test his
nerves against.

Category 4 cyclones and raging bush fires are not rare but are they
happening more often or is the population expanding and we are noticing the
devestation more? These are questions that we would surely like answered.

later:

Watching the news last night I thought about you and the refuge in
Montreal.

Catherine, a small city, in the Northern Territory (It's equivelent
would be Fort Mackenzie) has been menaced by four or five cyclones in the
period of a few weeks. Although there has been no direct cyclone damage
there have been record floods, as I indicated in my last e-mail. Half the
city's population was evacuated to shelters. The Territory is hard to get
to at the best of times so supplies were very short indeed. The streets are
rivers and the streets are now home to dangerous water snakes and
crocodiles. So wandering around is perilous. Disease is also very serious.
As well as all the problems that such a massive flood brings the
temperatures are around 40 degrees, dead creatures are floating in the streets.

Here it is hot and muggy. The day time temps are in the middle
thirties and the humidity is between 80% and 90%. A loaf of unwrapped bread
doesn't dry out but is perfectly moist if left on the counter for 24 hours.
Although this is not unusual summer weather it has lasted much longer than
usual. In spite of the humidity we have had very little rain with the
exception of a downpour two days ago when eighteen inches fell in about half
an hour. I believe that too was a record for the amount in such a short time.

from same correspondant

I've had several requests for your e-mail. but for God's sake get out there
and record by camera or by brush what your are seeing. Other people can
cook the food for victims but few are talented and equipped enough to make a
permanent record for posterity. Stop your shaking hand and do what has to
be done. Tears won't bring dead trees back to life but they may be the life
force for an important moment in history. Go by day and by night! By all
means take the beauty of the ice and its treachery but don't forget the
people in the shelter. The eyes of frustration the touches of tenderness.
Use a chromgenic B&W (Kodak's new one is brilliant) and push it to 1600 or
3200 so you can use natural light.




I would likt to know if you could send me some more pictures of the
broken poles and towers (ex:Like the ones from Triangle Noire/of
Darkness). I would really appreciate this. It would really help my
project that I am doing! Thank you very much.


Got your text from Web site in mail today. My goodness you people went
through a lot and were really good Samaritans.


For your information, if anybody has contacted you in regard to trees and
ice storms, rhe following website has a publication on ice storm damage
to urban trees

http://www.ag.uiuc.edu/~vista/abstracts/aicestorm.html


My name is Tom and I just returned home last night after working 18 hours a
day for 10 days as an electric line supervisor from New York State Electric
and Gas. We were assigned to work with a team from Hydro Quebec and worked
in the Iberville and Henryville area. I have been sent to do restoration
work many times in the past to other utilities in the northeast US. I have
to commend the people in the St Jean area for their spirit and
determination in coming through this disaster. The Hydro Quebec people were
a pleasure to work for and were always concerned for out safety and
welfare, going through the trouble of making sure we had hot coffee and
meals to keep us going in the cold weather. I would love to hear from
anyone that noticed our orange and white trucks with the NYSEG logo on the
side.


I visited many of your pages by way of the qt-vr list.
You have documented a tremendous amount of information here.
I am vert impressed.


You said no other city would survive such a crisis. But yet less than
six months previous, Winnipeg took on one of the emmense floods ever
seen this century, and hopefully never again. We too pulled together
and managed through it. We did that as a country, not as a city. It's
obvious that you made an extreme oversight thanking your city, instead
of thanking the country for the support and the prayers we sent. Our
country surrvived, not just your city.
Check your statistics next time,


Please e mail me as I could not get through to your web site.I hope you are doing
a bit better. I look forward to hearing from you.


Date: Tuesday, April 7, 1998 1:31:02 P

Dear Mr. Greene

Because we produced the map so soon after the storm, and because of all
problems the storm itself caused in collecting and verifying data, the best
that we could get from Environmental Canada was a very preliminary map
which was actually somwhate smaller than the one in our issue. This is why
we indicated that our map contained preliminary data. I could send the
source map, but it contains nothing that is not on our map. My suggestion
would be to contact Environment Canada to see if they have come up with
more final data. My source was:

Gérald Vigeant.
Chef - Division des services scientifique
Direction de l'environnement atmosphérique
Environnement Canada

I do have point data for the following cities, which I could send to you if
you give me your fax number: Montréal, Saint-Hubert, Québec, Ottawa,
Mirabel, Petawawa, Kingston, Cornwall. However, it was also presented as
preliminary data.

Sorry I could not have been more help to you. We struggled for several
weeks to get better data, and finally had to go with what was available.
The people at EC were struggling too, and were as helpful as they were able.

Steven Fick
Canadian Geographic Magazine


Hello;

My name is Ed Mennella. I work in the Transmission Line Maintenance section
for Consolidated Edison Co of NY. l am looking for information on the ice
storm's effects on the electric transmission system in Quebec & your site
has been very helpful and is apparently accurate.

The specific info I'm looking for is maps of the ice buildup and power
grid, and photos of damaged towers (pylons) that I can download into a
Powerpoint file. Anything else relating to the transmssion system that you
feel is accurate would also be welcome.

Can you help me out? Thank You.


Wonderful work on the Ice Storm VR's! I think you captured the
heartbreaking vision of stately old trees being ripped to pieces.......
and the piles of woodchips say it all. A really sad site.
mike